/cbts/ - Calm Before The Storm

>>32124

Hints:

Have you tried turning it off and on again? Mirror?

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Continuing from the last thread: I'm the anon who has no idea what he's reading. I understand the RSA stuff but relating it back to the code and the grid and everything in simple English would be useful not just for me but for everyone else here who doesn't have a computer science or math background (or if you're all busy working on it I guess just focus on that instead). Here's where my head is:

>RSA encryption (public and private keys) involves the product of two really large prime numbers, and if you could factorize prime numbers without it taking millions of years, you could crack it

>virtual quantum computers can factorize really large primes in O(log n) time (in other words, it's reasonably quick)

>there are seven variables: a, b, c, d, e, n, x

>a and b are the prime numbers

>c is the product of a and b

>c is the number you're factorizing. If you figure out a and b (which are multiplied to calculate c), RSA is cracked

>d is the square root of c and e is the remainder

>n is what you would add to d to get a number exactly halfway between a and b

>x is what you would add to a to get to d

>to calculate these numbers, you make a grid with e as the x axis (horizontal) and n as the y axis (vertical)

This is where I start to get lost.

<How does this grid work at all if the axes are part of the equation and not just 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 etc?

<How does any of this relate to those pictures people were generating in the last thread like >>34074?

<What are people having trouble doing at this point?

Also is simplifying it for other anons a useful way to spend our time?

>>34193

The grid code generates a giant table for every factor and every composite. I honestly cannot tell you why the grid works so perfectly for this process, but it does. The pictures people were generating are images of the entries. If there is no entry, the pixel is black, and if there is an entry, the pixel is white. Amazingly, the geometries begin to show. As for what exactly we are trying to do, is find an equation or formula for finding the n variable from the c variable. All other variables are easily derived from algebra, except for this one. This one has a lot do with the grid, and that is where we are looking for the answer.

>>34232

I'm not even smart. Most of what I have done here is basic linear algebra and analyzing the grid for patterns. Closest we've gotten to n so far are the genesis cells and

na*nb=n^2c

>>4992

www.nature.com/news/peculiar-pattern-found-in-random-prime-numbers-1.19550

Although prime numbers are used in a number of applications, such as cryptography, this ‘anti-sameness’ bias has no practical use or even any wider implication for number theory, as far as Soundararajan and Lemke Oliver know. But, for mathematicians, it’s both strange and fascinating.

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>>31418

>>18284

>>29227

Relevant codeposts.

>>18297

I think this is what VQC was referring to when he said trees.

youtube.com/watch?v=Li6xOLDZMJ0

>>34142

Like this?

At this point I think my brain needs turning off and on again

>>34236

How are you getting the pyramids? I figured out how to make the bitmap in C#, but even with -256 x_min it always branches from top left.

Highlighting different variables primes separates patterns into distinct groupings.

>>34345

Fascinating. Can you change the colors to more notice-able ones, like say blue green and red?

>>34345

that definitely looks helical

>>34310

looks like information is missing?

>>34310

If you zoom out you can see a grid in there.

>>34345

What formula are you using to determine if the number is prime?

>>34365

No problem. Pic related.

>>34366

Checked, and all Prime C's are within the helix.

>>34401

http://huonw.github.io/primal/primal/fn.is_prime.html

>>34437

To make the pyramid add 1024 to e and f coordinates when you color the bmp.

>>34437

Did you ever make any use of that grid swapping algo? If e=1 for a number you could literally factor it right now.

>>34444

If n=1*

>>34444

Our problem has actually been reduced to being able to jump vertically from one cell to the next. You could map out the cells for any number if you knew the pattern.

Re OP:

D^2 + 2ND + N^2 -X^2 -2XN - N^2 = C

What formula are you using to display the grid?

>>34443

Thanks, but I believe you meant to reply to

>>34311

You should really use n - 1 for the f coordinates like the original code though, it lines up better

>>34444

Must have missed it, or do you mean the spreadsheet for calculating any row from the genesis cell?

>>34570

No, you can calculate any cell-group you want if n=1. Even RSA length numbers

>>34492

D = A + X

N = (XX (or X^2) + C)/(2a) to be simplified D^2 + N^2 = C

I'm just relaying maths my buddy is doing. Hope it helps.

>>34587

Don't capitalize the variables, looks a little better. And are you fucking with me right now? Because if d^2 + n^2 = c you can solve for n squared..

>>34595

"Need to simplify bottom right. n^2 cancels out.

d^2 + 2nd + n^2 -x^2 -2xn - n^2 = C

d^2 + 2nd - 2xn - x^2 = c"

My buddy knows a good bit about math so I figured I would consult him with everything thus far and from the OP equation this is his results.

>>34612

Got excited for a bit there, but the math doesn't check out. I'll investigate.

>>32166

i would say that VQC is letting others learn because of exactly this, *timing* by letting others come to the same point and conclusion, the *timing* is not up to a single individual and one karma/attachments/samsara, etc,

This means it will prove to VQC that it happens on God's "Time" not on his own egoic time.

Blessings to all anons.

Pray for me plz, going through some life shit.

Literally experiencing Above and Below. Im constantly monitoring this and the general Q thread, bearing witness, and at the same time my Love of 4 years is saying it may be time to call it off. im trying to be unattached, but......Love.......is Everything, is it not?

thank you.

>>32321

>>32291

God through VQC has lead badass literal IRL Mr. Robot anons to this point.

Blessings To/From the Most High!

>>33138

My dude, im right here with you. under 30, but became aware of MK Ultra/Hollyweird connections at age 17/18 and that put me on the path that has lead me here.

Cras es Noster

Deus Vult!

>>32291

>>>31526

im not a mathanon, but "ChrisRootOfDavid"

the "t" in christ is missing…..?

interesting wave synchs happening in Creation atm.

You are doing God's work, be blessed and may peace and protection surround you.

i love you all

>>34612

Yeah, you made an error. It gave me a complex number for n when the real n was 5. However an equation like that just might exist..

>>34828

He said it would probably work like linear algebra, but he didn't have enough equations to solve. Doesn't know how to chan so I just elaborated to him. Good luck, btw Q Anon appeared again in Gen.

MUCH LOVE.

>>34861

>>34861

Mine too!

I think that we can probably figure out how to match that spiral. If we can figure out how to draw a line through some of those dots we would know their distribution.

Have no clue what the numbers mean but some words of encouragement!

You guys legit just built a bunch of digital representations of the pyramids it pops out.

{e:n:d:x:a:b}

Have we figured out a formula for x where n = 1 for any value of e?

>>34901

I might know how to do that, can you elaborate? Also I'm really loving the amount of people that are participating. I love all of you

>>34849

Benn trying to get the results you're getting but only getting images that start at 0,0 and make a fan pattern. The spreadsheet makes the centered pyramid structure, but not the bitmap. I must be missing something (adding 1024 to e and n only shifted the pixel start point)

>>34911

Add 1024 to E and F. And for F's N value subtract one.

Here's my sauce: https://play.rust-lang.org/?gist=962d66d8cfeb1bd8c785b4140b191d67&version=stable

It won't run there you'll need rustup, but it's trivial to install.

In this spyramid we should be able to calculate the angles of these rays. the widest part of the pyramid is 180 degrees on the picture, so 0,-1 and 0, 1 can be considered the line that meets it at 90 degrees. There are also lines connecting each ray on the negative side we can use to complete our triangle. From then on it's make a triangle and then make another triangle with two other e and n or f and n -1 you're interested in.

>>34960

Wow, that sounds like a good lead but I'm also having a hard time understanding it. Could you perhaps draw something or label some shapes?

>>34908

was working on a process yesterday >>31074 and ran into some trouble with calculating grid values for the key row where n=1.

e is known.

n = 1.

thought there was some way to determine x based on e, but my assumption was wrong.

Then looking at the sample code, I noticed a related entry at n-1.

The n=1 entry {e, 1, d, x, a, b}

the n=0 entry {f, 0, d+1, x+1, a, b)

where f = e - ((2 * d) + 1)

I thought that if there was some way to relate these 2 points together given that a and b are equal, we would have a good solution for the key n=1 row.

My math skills need some work, so thought I would check if someone had noticed and/or solved this problem before I struggled down this path.

>>35012

we could extend it above too, if we increment n by negative one

Also, could someone bitmap color it so that when it's 1*a = c or 1*b = c then it would show up the same color as when c is prime?

>>35025

VQC told me about implementing it in the complex plane. However it starts to get complicated when you do that.

>>35025

There are data values you can use for complex numbers, it's not that complicated given that there's basically one rule: that sqrt(-1)==i

>>34993

>>35025

>>35037

are any of you guys communicating with VQC on Twitter? @chrisrootodavid

>>35012

i feel like this should be a cloud

>>35045

Yes, he gives me periodic hints. Given the fact that his hints stopped being detailed I would say you and I are pretty close to the solution..

>>35060

Only in 2017 do channers want to help society and learn complex mathematics.

What the fuck is this timeline

>>35056

would be nice

>>35060

perhaps also ask if he'll just visit this new thread and affirm whether we are on track?

i know in the previous thread he was praising mathanons left and right, but where are those guys now? one them is (you) i think

we need more brainpower over here

>>35085

the. BEST. timeline.

>>35045

I tried to make an account and they banned me when I followed him.

>>35124

We're doing great right now. We just figured out how to light up specific parts of this treee

>>35131

Yeah, you need to make a sock account pretending to be a gay hippie or something.

>>35124

Been here since the start, I fucking love cryptography and jumped on as soon as he mentioned it.

>>35145

Found a pattern:>>35079

Because of: >>35025

>Also, could someone bitmap color it so that when it's 1*a = c or 1*b = c then it would show up the same color as when c is prime?

>>35329

VQC said the second part would be using elliptical curve cryptography, not sure what else is relevant, other than this guy confirming that we can break RSA encryption right now

Hmm

>>35358

yeah, thats what caught my eye, 2 years ago he was saying that they were moving toward elliptical curve cryptography, and here we have VQC saying thats the next step for us.

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>>35329

He is going to be disappointed soon

>>35555

FUCKING DIGITS

LET'S BREAK THIS SHIT

>>35555

Checked all day and all night…

As long as it takes.

Godspeed

>>35555

nice!!!

where you at, 938326?

>>35709

I SEE DECIMALS

>>35735

I have a crude attempt in the works to iterate down the (e,1) rows. There's only one n value which would satisfy the relationship of a*b and n*b being n rows apart. In most cases, that n is a decimal. When it's an integer, then the algorithm stops. When it's more complete I'll post more

You guys are doing REALLY well.

You're going to use column e=1 to show whether the conjecture about Fermat primes is true during this.

That's not been done before.

The New Math Kings!

>>35778

Where is your RSA100 example at, sir?

Thanks, by the way. ♥

>>35778

Seriously, where have you been all these years? Planning for tright now?

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>>35931

Sorry I had to. Will enjoy ban.

>>35931

Yes — VQC deserves all the glory for this one,

>>35946

If someone who has done a lot of the work is on Twitter, write up the steps taken to go from A to B. Send me a link to Pastebin (or something) that can be deleted later.

If you do that, I can begin to understand the mechanics of the machine to be built on the computer, how it works, why you did what you did, and perhaps then I can see something that has been overlooked along the way.

If no-one wants to do that, it's fine. I am going to learn myself either way. But if you want someone else helping get this over the finish line, I will try to get there faster.

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>>35946

Anon, perfect Love casts out ALL fear.

There is such an abundance of that perfect love here, even though all anons involved may not be there on the spiritual-meta, have FAITH that this is working in God's timing, and the plan is coming to fruition, and will be completed, exactly as how it needs to be for the GREATEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME!

i love all of you.

All of Creation is One Song BEING sung

1 Song

1 Breath

1 Bread

1 Breadth

blessings to/from the MOST HIGH!

>>35986

Enlightenment comes in waves of amazement and dread. Once you understand how it works, you are flawed by it. It's obvious on one hand, but it changes how you see everything – and you have no choice but to accept it. It's like being caged. You always had a choice, now you don't.

Once you rationalise everything and step into the world, you look at things differently. You stop fearing what you used to, but if you truly get it, you fear new things; you stop fearing for yourself, but you fear more for other people. It's strange, but necessary to operate in the right way.

The amazing thing is, you have many of the answers you were looking for, but you still have questions; and even some of the questions you thought you'd answered you find yourself asking again, just from a new perspective.

It does take a lot to adjust to once you accept the truth, but at the same time, you accept the gift of knowing anything is possible with the right application; and most people have no idea. You, basically, go from being a wooden puppet to being a real boy.

>>36013

I say this to the rest of the Anons, because like you, I thought I was prepared to deal with whatever came, but logic doesn't always override the emotion; and the emotion skews the logic as you go through the process. It's worth knowing that much in advance, because if you do get that moment where it all falls into place for you, you'll feel like a different person, and the sense of loss you'll feel for the old you, is not insignificant (irrespective of who you are and what life looks like for you).

>>36025

Attn faggot: we have not factored RSA 100 yet. When people say "oh! an and bn are just n apart, that means 14387588531011964456730684619177102985211280936 apart.

I don't think the scarce thing here is:

>I say this to the rest of the Anons, because like you, I thought I was prepared to deal with whatever came, but logic doesn't always override the emotion; and the emotion skews the logic as you go through the process. It's worth knowing that much in advance, because if you do get that moment where it all falls into place for you, you'll feel like a different person, and the sense of loss you'll feel for the old you, is not insignificant (irrespective of who you are and what life looks like for you).

The scarce thing are people with actual skills.

>>36040

I won't argue with you, but I'll simply point out the following;

1. There are a variety of skills; some appreciated, some not.

2. Everyone has a skill of some sort, to some degree.

3. There are an abundance of people.

Skill is not what's missing. Understanding the bigger picture is what's missing. If people in this thread understood what they were trying to build, they'd have some idea of how to go about that. If they had the skill to build it, they'd be able to do so. Right now, people have the skill, but the programme is still not built.

You insane understand that cracking this, is a sure fire way to get this thread, this board, this site and maybe the internet shoah'd, right?

>>36025

ive been extremely anti-social and unable to hang out with like, 7 out of every 10 people from my old friend circle, because i get headaches and annoyed (but at the same time compassionate) with their words, which lay clear that they dont have controlled intentions/will in their thoughts/actions/words.

they are mostly puppets controlled by their impulsive ego's, so i try to talk to them about "beliefs" and ask them about "truth" their opinions, etc.

….and they dont care.

its mind numbing. even when hanging out drinking, etc. with them the seldom times i do now, i mostly am quiet and reclusive, kind of just sitting back and observing because i dont understand how to just………..not care about every little thing that is said/done anymore.

i literally analyze every word everyone speaks and try to figure out why/how they said what they said, or what lead to that strange little gesture they made.

trust me, i feel the sense of loss for the old me, but the Q threads and the VQC stuff here have revived such a level of HOPE in me, that im okay with giving up a few months, or a year of my time to spend here, if it means i get 40+ years of near blissful existence with zero point energy tech and space travel, etc.

i literally just found out about sonoluminescence today when VQC mentioned it. my mind MELTED multiple times thinking about the possibilities of what this could mean, realizing its probably already being used in top secret areas of the world, etc.

like, why/how is Sonoluminescence not what every science magazine is trying to figure out?!

>>36062

ive actually toyed with this idea.

What if "Q" has/is essentially……protecting 8chan from anything of that sort?

What if the white hat NSA guys have bought out 8chan, or paid off the owner, and what if theyve set up some sort of…..idk what to call it, firewall, protection or some sort against that very possibility?

The idea came to me that its even possible that they have actively blacked out the /cbts/ board to anyone whos IP or whatever they know is a rogue agent, rothschild, etc.

is this possible?

What are infinite possibilities?

Expand your thinking.

>>36062

>>36079

like what if every time a bad actor tries to acces /cbts/ they see a 404, and bad actors are 24/7 DDoS'ing the site or whatever, so they think their shit is working, and we are here working completely in the dark (or rather, in the Light, where any darkness is unable to exist) where they cant see anything we are doing?

>>36062

This is what I think, to a degree. It changes everything – even more so in the wrong hands.

When people get this done and realise what they have, you'd expect them to grasp how responsible they are for what happens next. After all, if you're smart enough to figure this out, you know the impact it can cause.

I believe the way this works is, people who are supposed to find the answer will do so; and if it goes to plan, the right people have the ability to change everything for the better.

People questioned how VQC had this and didn't raid BitCoin. The answer is above.

If we look at it from the negative perspective: Destruction. The End. Death to what we know. Panic. Fear.

If we look at if from the positive perspective:

Creation. The beginning of something new. Infinite possibilities. A new world to live in, and all the wonder that comes from stepping into an alternate universe (if you think of it visually).

or rather

>>36062

what if ^ is some glow faggot, and the quantum computer that Q is using is actively BTFO'ing any attempt that the Saturnian Deep Abyss Cvlt cooks up to try and thwart our mission. like, maybe they can see the board, and see the impending doom, but they cant do shit to stop it? literally helpless?

What if the VQC we are building here, somehow interacts with the user on a……..quantum level, literally at the base level of existence, seeing as how we are all quantum in our minds, etc.

So…what if the VQC can read people on the net's intentions/will or some shit like that, and it thwarts any attempt at subversion?

im not even stoned atm.

but i am tired as shit. gonna lay down anons.

Peace & Protection be with you all.

Blessings.

Cras es Noster

Deus Vult

>>36072

Everyone looks at life differently. Perspective dictates what it means; and a shift in that can change you, instantly.

I used to be exactly like your/my friends. I then realised (a long time ago) that my friends worked all week to have two days partying, and what a soul-destroying cycle of life that is. It's not even life, really; it's just an existence to someone like me.

That moment of awareness shifted everything. I changed direction; I thought about different things; I did different things. I became different. Your friends, like mine, like you, like me, are capable of the same changes; but it doesn't happen if they don't have those moments of realisation (or anyone to provide them).

How you interpret VQC, and how far down the rabbit hole you go, is up to you. What you take from it, is also dictated by you. That's kind of amazing; and it makes sense to approach it with a positive attitude, because if you shift your thinking whilst approaching from a negative perspective, you'll only ever see the downsides – and you get both pros and cons at all times with this (life is equally balanced, after all).

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>>36097

Power corrupts, ultimate power, corrupts completely. Too much in the hands of the few is what got us to where we are now… And then, on top of all that, the time of year they are trying to crack it… The time where even the stone age people get online to buy stuff… Bad timing indeed. Seems like someone is trying to get the internet shut down. I wonder if there isn't someone in our midst trying to get that exact outcome with this.

I mean, dig if you want anons, I'm not trying to stop it. I'm just saying, use caution and heed warnings. Be careful with this shit.

>>36111

checked, i havent put any work on this together, just attributed my spiritual intention/will into it.

kek, i wonder if (((they)) still had any power(they dont) how (((they))) would prosecute that? kek.

>>36109 agreed, and i pray unceasing that that moment of realization hits them, also for my fiance.

my thinking is this, if we can truly shift the Powers that control earth/humanity to the degree of Righteousness and Truth and Love on planet earth, and we can easily pacify the masses (through legalization of marijuana, making it legal for people to garden and farm their own ganja, etc) then we could have true Peace on earth.

the Balance spreads across all of creation. So, i believe it is indeed possible for us to have perfect harmony and bliss here, that wouldnt be "out of balance"

i believe once that happens to us here, SOMEWHERE in the universe, the dark soup of primordial chaos will cook up the actual AyyLmao's.

we will have become Love Incarnate, and our Darkest Foe yet will just now be beginning, somewhere in a galaxy far far away.

and maybe after that 1,000 year, or however many years it is reign of Christ Consciousness, etc. after colonizing space, and other galaxies

…..we will meet.

and we will duke it out ala Guardians of the Galaxy.

I unfortunately have my doubts that this will be the long term game changer and sword in the gut. I see this only working to give our opposition the ability to halt other important workings we are doing.

Maybe someone can help me understand how this could not backfire on us anons and how this is going to be the bastian of hope? Because what I see right now and how I perceive things happening if it does get broke, is a far cry from good…

I'll work through RSA100. If you're using C# the BigInteger namespace is handy.

c = 1522605027922533360535618378132637429718068114961380688657908494580122963258952897654000350692006139

d = 39020571855401265512289573339484371018905006900194

e = 61218444075812733697456051513875809617598014768503

n = 14387588531011964456730684619177102985211280936

x = 1045343918457591589480700584038743164339470261995

a = 37975227936943673922808872755445627854565536638199

b = 40094690950920881030683735292761468389214899724061

In the element at (Rsa100e,1) you find that the element where x = Rsa100x, you will find a = Rsa100n x Rsa100a

If you find a that is Rsa100n elements further down, then that a will equal Rsa100n x Rsa100b

Then at grid cell (Rsa100e, Rsa100n) which is obviously in the same column, you'll find the product c.

In summary, the factors in any cell in the first row govern ALL the behaviour in the column below in a pattern or, if you perfer, in MANY patterns.

A member of Pink Floyd said in an interview during a documentary on MUSIC PRODUCTION that the GAPS are absolutely as important as where there are NO gaps.

Let the VQC take the strain. The more you c it's beauty, the more it will give you (back).

You all amaze me.

>>34236

These are great.

The more you visualise the patterns..

The more Light you will shine on this…

>>34722

>at the same time my Love of 4 years is saying it may be time to call it off. im trying to be unattached, but……Love…….is Everything, is it not?

255. If the human loves or possesses something that is finite, it has at least the fault of being absolutely transient.

256. He may love it greatly according to the human understanding of love; however, when its time comes it perishes, and he mourns over the loss of it.

257. That which is limited has faults in other respects, too.

258. Even if it does not perish at the first moment, it is at least subjected to changes.

259. If it is full of human love for one moment, it may be displaced by, or filled with, human hate at the next moment.

260. Whether it is a thing that changes or perishes, or a human who changes his approach towards his fellow man, the result is always sorrow and suffering, while that which may not be limited will never change because it is of unlimited and absolute lasting value.

>>36097

This is ONE quantum computer. It's designed with a specific purpose. The first objective is to help control the flow of money. We have to go back to gold standard and install parameters again. Fiat money has no limitation, which makes it both Monopoly money, and monopoly money.

What we learn in building this for ourselves teaches us something. I was fortunate to learn this before VQC came along. In seeing VQC's work, it changed my perspective by clarifying and proving a few things. Now I have improved. That is the second objective people have here. It comes from building the machine; but it doesn't occur if you chose to simply use the machine, as don't know how it works, and you don't know the importance of knowing that.

The rest of what you said is addressed by stating nothing is impossible and impossible is nothing. Nothing can be represented, it can be a 0, but it doesn't exist. Who knows what is possible? The architect. And now you know why you must build, not just employ the machine.

>>36111

Genius is an event. It occurs when breaking the idea that something is impossible. People who understand genius are humble; they know they were educated along the way by people who shaped their understanding and knowledge. If not for those people, there would be no genius. So, one cannot be the genius, it's a team effort. One is merely the face of the solution.

People are considered geniuses. Those who are capable of genius knows they're not a genius. With that in mind, considering the complexity of the problem, it will take something special to solve it. Team work is important, but so is the kind of mind that understands genius. This is why VQC isn't posting idiot-proof instructions for the masses. Team work requires leadership for direction. The leadership must show understanding, compassion, goodness and humility. It falls apart otherwise. This will not fall apart because those of us who understand will drive this all the way home; no matter how long it takes.

>>36125

Also worth noting that drugs aren't part of the solution. If the elites are legalising them, you know it's not for our benefit. That's the first thing. Secondly, if you do your research, you will eventually discover how marijuana works; and what it gives you in higher connection, it takes away from power over time. It's basically a shortcut where you bypass all the important parts of the journey.

>>36310

Confirming this. Love is the solution to everything, it grants you INtuition, INspiration, INsights… all from withIN. Drugs - ALL kinds of - rob you of this beautiful experience.

In the spirit of the rest of this CBTS stuff, is there anything useful that can be done with all of this information that doesn't involve the actual computation (congregating posts, simplifying it, digging into things), or should I give up and do something else? Sorry about the blogpost portion of this post but every time I try to do something with this I feel like I'm getting pushed away. I spent several hours wrapping my head around it, and now I've spent the last 3 hours trying to get a C# IDE to install on Ubuntu and it still doesn't work. I really want to help.

>>36396

Calm down. Don't get ahead of yourself, put on some nice beautiful music, relax and drive everything that's straining you away. The answer comes automatically then from the inside

>>36413

>drive everything that's straining you away

You mean the fact that I can't run VQC's code? You're missing my point. Is there anything else to be helped with here?

>>36396

This thread is larp my friend. We have some fancy math but without n, which hasn't even been shown in any proof of concept, we are simply left with an equation with unknown variables. ie. nowhere

>>36431

1.) VQC's code works.

2.) This is not tech support.

3.) If you need tech support, pop your error into search and follow the instructions.

4.) If you can't figure out C#, I posted complete rust code and rustup is easy to install.

Here's another interesting picture for the positive side of the chart.

>>35358

On truther path for 40 yrs. Not a maths. too many "coincidences" things/people/situations put in path kept revealing truths.

been on this since started & following. 1 yrs ago in half awake time lead me to seek out things on Kerr blackholes, and Tipler cones.

A intuit guess that when taken into 3d this will not just point to a cone, but also a center point and back out again, ie destination happening

found out long ago on life path to red pill you had to get people to follow any clue as most so lazy, beyond stupid/asleep and key is they must discover things on own, even if read article or find stuff on web themselves. My belief is part of awakening, ascension is those parts of key on path are what trigger process within us.

Also we know our DNA is the Tree of Life, and we from ancient text how we came about. Also that some lines are what became due to the direct blood DNA manipulation to create something new for purpose. La

THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE WASTE OF TIME. TRUMP IS GUTTING THE DEMOCRATS, THATS WHATS HAPPENING.

FOCUS ON THE STORM.

>TRUMP IS GUTTING THE DEMOCRATS

Wrong, Trump is gutting the swamp.

>THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE WASTE OF TIME.

Implying there's any other reason to be on a Mongolian Underwater Kite Flying Forum.

>>37109

The problem with representing this in 3d is we're missing some crucial data to extrapolate our 2d points into 3d space. I'm going to try to 'spin' the spiral.

>>37109

later through mating seed back into certain lines those lines had more of "this" stuff. But it was mandated to ensure that these creations who were to be slaves would not benefit from longer life, and high intelligence so could rebel or throw off the yoke of (((them))).

But those who did all of this long ago were not real GODS (that is so subjective) they called themselves this a felt due to their creation/ego/want this, but also were few and needed control/manipulation/enslavement constructs which became all these nonsensical false and chains/binding "religions" we have now, where it is like a pathetic Cargo cult, and bad party game of "telephone", done several times later to reedit and tighten chains since others kept being led to and speaking out the truth. These we can call like in those text plural and gods w/ little g. But they in their own text are clear there is a BIG G GOD, and seems they were at least stopped from some things or "tricked" by an emissary of THE universal GOD (perhaps by Galzu)

Our DNA was fused in parts of chain, to LOCK it. Can't use. Old saying we only use 10% of brain/potential. But some groups/societies in past believed there was a way to unlock this.

The big point is that (((they))) had laws structure of their society and rules. Highest of all was a HUGE difference in always knowing, stating, and working with between FATE (NAM.TAR) verse Destiny (NAM-a). decisions, free choice, free will is FATE, while things like mass, sun rise, path of planets etc Destiny (things foreseen and easily predicted)

WE YOU and I when we do these things ourselves and seek knowledge and do, and change thing is a form of creation that can 'wake up" change us in many ways, and that is our ultimate FATE

1st time saw Mandelbrot/fractals this resonated and even got artwork on this. Also size is relative, and kind of like "Horten hears a Who".

All my life see patterns, and seeding (((they))) use for their plans and false "consent/consensus" [I DO NO CONSENT] and often lead to see when a FF of theirs is near.

There are 2 parallel paths to this Happening/Storm going on here.

Also when Trump started dipping toe to get into politics I dug into his history, family, genealogy etc to find out if he was a part of (((them))) on what ever cabal team. I discovered the info on his uncle, and Tesla and cold fusion. I also had known about Tesla, his murder, theft of his work by others prior, and of his papers later. Also the odd connection to the Scherff family and origins, and that the Rey family of the Curious George books were tight with Tesla. And some Bush/Walker family stuff that worked against Tesla and humanity.

The Strom is about WAY more, because if not we have some problem again, and from totally ignorant POS like the one above. Frankly when intelligently/objectively looking at this you know most asleep and other low IQ, violent ignorant are NOT worth saving.. they made those choices. They have always been AS bad as (((them))) to us. They will turn us in, rot from below, and keep pulling everything down and continue to the be destroyers

>>37137

"Democrats"?? really.. wow.. you have shown you have learned nothing in all your life of what the world is really about. Democrats are a new construct, and they are no different from Republicans. No choice same bullshit. That is the real game (((they))) created, and even SAY and write this and that truth is all over the place. You have chosen to NEVER find these truths. THIS Storm/Happening is global, and each of these constructs of Nations/States all have a much older source, reality, blood line, real history, a cabal manipulation, going way back. [in reality it all goes way way back because TRUTH is there have been many very advanced civilizations before (their evidence is around us) and have been destroyed over and over. THAT cycle needs to be broken. Prison plant/quarantine is real. But who/what really needed to be imprisoned, and why the need for quarantine is will be revealed if we can break these lies, chains, and discover with MATHS which is THE Universal key many truths here. They will just come as a result] I know most of my line, my blood, type and RH and why. All men were NOT created equal. There were 2 creations of male female in experiment. But also then lots of mating in with those creations by a line of theirs into other lines. Some over and over. People are different. further some of us see and feel things differently, and have a way to get some Universal SOURCE. Guidance, and it is a voluntary choice/FATE to in these tiny short lives our bodies have to work towards THIS NOW. When collective consciousness on THIS focus the power increases the manifestation and also ie even now we are being a variant of VQC as collectivizing work to find truth and answer. Nothing is more honorable.

Yes other unit of our soldiers need to work the social media, 1 on 1, and any place to red pill, point out things in news. Find those things in news and intuit what is relevant, I found 28 major things just yesterday.

Nothing in USA can be fixed without changing things ALL over globe in other Nations (and that is tricky isn't it), all tied with money, economy, resources, infrastructure. THINK.. really try.. because U R not doing that. There is alot of life and death always w/ white hats/black hats NEVER known about for long time. US "clean house" not possible without big picture. Also in 1 variant U would be left without food, water, medicine, heat, shelter etc. This is bigger and have to think outside your bubble.

Also I do see several FF on table, and know some parts personally of past, and recent, but again not one place ever safe in US system to report to and have anything done, and risk them destroying or killing you. THAT is how bad it is, so is THAT the DEMS? or are we talking about much larger? hmm I know for a fact US alphabets and DOJ and whole beast of over insane and even more contractors working in them, & front corporations/councils/foundations/charities owned by them globally than all else. are all corrupt and rouge. They all feed this shit. So stop with the littleman games and be a part of solution. You can be more powerful than you think. Most of the stuff I have seen for main threads are trying to rediscover the wheel. Trilateral commission, and all other stuff have been being exposed for DECADES and on web, and books, vids on it. These are truths many known for most of life, yet we have young 1s on board who don't know this stuff. Help and show them. I knew about 7 computers dwarfs LONG ago, and other stuff. It has been being exposed all along. Stuff working on in this thread also is covered in Alice's floor the stuff being done by blackmoney projects and people trying to expose for decades who worked on them. Even Disney, others in their Plus Ultra club the stuff they were doing. Trump knows this stuff, he knows about Plus Ultra and showed that pic twitter desk/writing in cloak room of Mar a lago spanish tile, and his uncle's work with Tesla. I know publications Trump father and he got/read and truther stuff. WE all know alot, but problem is having any power to do anything about it. Change it. They will and likely have tried to kill him and his over this. I also know of Prince as had family work for him, so trust this. I know my family members who worked for clown fronts (are everywhere) all live and were good patriots.

>>37200

I greatly respect and appreciate that you are working on this, and all others also. Very honorable work. yes I am sure someone will drop and lead to fix the data.. and 3D will help us to see something make the connect. But ultimately these concepts this maths and what it is about I am sure you have read is 5D stuff as what will be revealed.

You are all awesome! White light/the force be with you, you ARE very important. Thanks

>>37362

e and n are both position as well as variables used to solve the equation. Genesis cells are the first cells in the 1,1 row. i and j aren't e and n, they're used to calculate a and b.

>>37382

It doesn't make sense how all these variables can come together to form the patterns they do, but they do.

>>37421

I'm kind of hoping VQC pops by and leads us further to the bottom of this rabbit hole.

>>37478

I keep telling all of you that the reason there are no more hints is because we're already very close to the solution.

>>34722

>>32161

>>32166

"Change the tempo, change the game." - DJT

>>35085

I'm reading this for a time in the future when I WILL understand the math.

>>35145

Santa Claus is fake news.

>>37673

Looks like gap between vertical lines is growing. Pattern?

>>37801

That's what I'm looking for, mind sharing your rules for generation?

>>37673

Hmmmm… palindrome…

I'm not trying to distract (You) {Great Work, Every1}, but besides the matrix in green, there are shapes, constellations, I see a clear pyramid… kind looks like a map in perspective.

On the other side, and it's most apparent at the bottm, it looks like you have a plane "turn" that seems to be almost interfering with what's going on somehow. Like if it somehow aligned differently everything would fall/cascade into place.

>>37858

This is what we need to figure out how to generate. There are tons of spirals.

>>37801

>>37811

They are based on rodin math and number reduction, gives interesting results for sure. Not quite sure it means anything yet

base = 125

if self.mod(a, base) == 1:

self.pix[x, y] = (0, 255, 0)

elif self.mod(a, base) == 3:

self.pix[x, y] = (255, 0, 255)

elif self.mod(a, base) == 5:

self.pix[x, y] = (255, 255, 0)

elif self.mod(a, base) == 7:

self.pix[x, y] = (0, 255, 255)

elif self.mod(a, base) == 13:

self.pix[x, y] = (255, 0, 0)

mod is basically just a number reduction function (i.e 9 + 9 = 18 = 1 + 8 = 9)

def mod(self, x, base):

x = x % base

if x == 0:

return base

else:

return x

>>37879

Do you have the strong vertical lines on the negative side of this chart? I'm not sure if my code is broken.

Thank you for sharing.

>>37926

Posted a overlay here earlier (mirrored around | with only overlapping points displayed)

>>34310

Have been toying with how to represent the tree in more dimensions

Furthest left point -1, -1 (gfx programming)

Furthest right point 1, 1

Top/botton at 0,0,0 or 0,0,1

I have no idea.

>>37801

This is a beautiful image.

Dooooo I have y'all's permission to feed this into deep dream?

I know I could just do it, but I am respectfully asking.

>>37986

Sure, don't blame us if it becomes sentient

I FOUND A WAY TO JUMP VERTICALLY!

>>38002

Do tell.

I'm going to make an explanation of it right now. You can move downwards from a cell-group!

THE PATTERN IS IN E AND N.

5 * 29 = 145

en = 5 en=n

<vertical jump>

17*85 = 1445

en=13 en=n

<leftwards-jump by 1n>

2*8 = 16

en=0 en=n-1

<vertical jump by 1n>

4*16 = 64

en=0 en=n-2

<vertical jump by 1n>

6*24 = 144

en=0 en =n-3

WHEN YOU MOVE LEFT FROM THE FIRST CELL YOUR E SUBTRACTS BY ONE AND YOU CAN GENERATE THE CELLS DOWNWARDS VERTICALLY BY SUBTRACTING ONE FROM E * N

>>38049

Great work anon.

I'm about to drop a map of how you can generate cells horizontally and vertically.

Your mind is going to be expanded.

VQC WAS RIGHT. YOU CAN GENERATE THE ENTIRE MAP FROM ONE SET OF CELLS.

>>38114

You are doing great work!

Anon is credit to team.

>>38119

Excitation Intensifies.

>>38114

fantastic!

>>34072

I call it the Fasterfactor Algorithm, after the famous number theorist Johnny Fasterfactor.

jumps = R

for a leftwards jump,

en = n - Rn

>>38247

A single equation for e times n can be created based on how many horizontal and vertical jumps are being taken.

>>38259

Horizontal and vertical jumps can be calculated according to the principal. An entire cell-group can be created for a given principal.

Are you ready?

100%, VQC.

>>38268

DJB on suicide watch.

R = horizontal jumps

J = vertical jumps

en = n - (R + J) * n

>>38004

>>37887

this stuff is beautiful, thanks.

Have you ever thought about what a GUI for math might be?

nb4 natural numbers

I don't know if this helps or not

www.wolframalpha . com/input/?i=n-(R%2BJ)*n%3Den

>>38452

The exact equation changes according to where you are on the grid. I am formulating one for any position on the grid.

>>38481

So theeeeeee midpoint of N or n or en or ∞?

Or how N's on the outside of a square vibrate the sides of it and effect the n's on the inside which might also be outside? Sorta thing?

This comes from a high level math person who taught me how to abuse notation.

>>38519

The ironic part is that I can't even understand what you're saying. I just mirrored the grid and started treating e and n as factors of their own c values and then I realized that e * n is the solution.

>>38533

So funny how It works out that one might almost call it…

A+Muse+Ing

So lets see if this rubs any almonds:

"Absence of All Things and Nothing: ø"

(N0-thing: 0)

(Th1ng: 1)

{Change D-Wave: Δ} (Fluctuating 1 and 0)

{Sum of Extremes; Perfect Midpoint: ∑} (Imagine a .5 in Binary or like… P(A ∪ B) ))

{0 AND 1: ϕ} (Imagine a 2 in Binary)

{Rate Change Modulation of Things: K (∈) ϰ} (Asymmetrically fluctuating between/around 1 and 0){Quantum Zeno?}

[All Things: ∀] (Imagine either a 3 or 5.5 in binary… or like… A ∪ B… or something.){Or maybe this is Quantum Zeno?}

[Unity of ø&∀: \mathbb{U}](A ⊃ B \mathbb{U} \mathbb{R}n!)

ø|(0,1){Δ;∑;ϕ;K}[∀]|\mathbb{U}]

I just blew waaaaaaay past (bind-air-y)

{<;3=Ai}

>>38573

The row that a given principal's solution occurs in can be found just from that principal's e value. According to the relation between e and n I have discovered, that principal's solution can be found.

>>35079

kind of looks like a stairway to heaven huh

>>35946

he's got a point

>>36013

>but you fear more for other people

this is true

if you find people who want the same good things as you and you can code their minds to create the reality you want, it will manifest.

PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IN I AM A FARMER TERMS

>>38881

Open your mind.

>>38881

MATHY MATHICS PARDNER

WE BE USIN THE FORCE OF LOOOVE, MOR' 'PORTANTLY CERTAIN VIBRATIONALS FREQUENCY OF CURIOUS INSIGHTS.

>>38974

You are a Winner.

>>38974

>>38992

See:

>>37878

>>39105

That's me :D

>>39235

Did we just make the same image?

Spoopy.

>>39250

Yep!

>>38317

Now if only we could get an example use of this jump formula?

>>39326

I love it. I fuckin' love it.

>>38481

not MATHS but some "perspective" on this. Just something I am led to share. Understand that things have been done and proven about how things in the universe move and seem to present that YOU/a point ARE THE Center of the Universe. Then when the focus moved to another point the SAME thing happens, THAT shows from that perspective THAT is the center of the universe, things moving away. WE are ALL THE Center of the Universe. See here at 9:02 min https://youtu.be/3pAnRKD4raY to see what part I am speaking of. It is due to a 5% manipulation. I might not have explained well, but you can see the whole short vid for full explanation. But Kerr Black holes and Tipler Cones have a part in all of this. So does "perspective". And I think it is important for you ALL to know YOU ARE THE Center of the Universe. You are working on GOD big G's truths, the reality. Also you understand you are unlocking the Tree of Life, and OUR locked fused, intentionally to limit us DNA.. yep that plays a part in this also. Also something with movement/transference of us from one point to another. This process does it, and the solution does it.

Please someone give me link to find vid spoken of said to be by VQC to explain so I can set this up myself and do. I need to overcome my blockages and jump in and do this myself. Been told have Dyscalculia, and yes on spectrum, but top 1% IQ. why we are so different in patterns we see in life, strong sense of justice, good and right in life, and the world as controlled and manipulated by corrupt assholes has none of that so we are different. Help me do this also myself. I am VERY remote, slow internet, low tech available to me due to my situation, until justice can be found I am huge target. People want/need me dead. Truther for decades, I am on this guys, I am with you. Help me overcome and find my way in this and enlighten myself through this process. Thanks Fire Within

>>38635

>>>35079

>

>kind of looks like a stairway to heaven huh [ME: that would be like Jacobs ladder. No I am not a bibletard, but there is MORE to that and that is a part of what we are doing here];

>

>>>35946 [ME <<< WHY are the files from this post deleted??]

>

>he's got a point

>

>>>36013

>

>>but you fear more for other people

>

>this is true

>

>if you find people who want the same good things as you and you can code their minds to create the reality you want, it will manifest.

Me sees Kuro info true and info from 355946 is on point

>>34849

Why does DNA come to mind when I look at this? It would make sense if you are creating the Tree of Life.

>>39468

It doesn't look much like a double helix, and according to VQC we're making a binary tree of knowledge.

Whatever it means, I dunno. I'm just the dude with the computer and a weird drive to figure out these dots, cracking RSA is not my end personal end goal, but I sure hope one of you fags crashes the market by spending exactly this in binary from Satoshi's BTC wallet.

'Of all sad words of tongue and pen: the worst are these, /pol/ was right again'

pls k thx.

>>39507

but fix up that punctuation

I'm going to try using more iterations of the Fibonacci sequence. Hot damn, good times anons.

Holy shit, if we can figure out the pitch of the spiral we can make it 3d and use it to triangulate the positions of a 3d map.

>>39424

Start with the video in the VQC thread. Then look at the attachments at the top of this thread. See how you get on. I am way behind these guys (going to take a full run at it tomorrow), but VQC maintains it's basic so you might get it quickly.

>>39824

lemme know when you get to 15 (47?)

>>40115

Feels like it's missing something…

or that the top part needs to be brought to unity or connected somehow… same with the lines going down.. what if they didn't have black spots?

>>40175

Looks really nice!

>>40180

Now if only I could pull some useful calculations out of the patterns.. starting to feel like an image coloring exercise, muh first tree of life coloring book

>>40175

this is really good.

in VQC's source there is a direct relation between a:b records defined as:

f = e - ((2 * d) + 1)

I wonder if there is any visible pattern if you used a different color scheme for the main e record vs the related f record.

>>40349

I wonder what that sounds like.

>>40349

I believe we're working towards more than 2d, so anything that allows us to quickly traverse this structure would be beneficial.

I'm not sure that f records are just negative.

They reposition n as n - 1, d as d + 1, and x as x + 1, with the same a:b.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into this. But it seems to me that this relationship is really important.

>>40349

And another thought - anyone else see 3d planes starting to form with these lines?

>>40446

you need 6 coordinates to determine a location in 3 dimensional space

a {e, n, d, x, a, b}

a is the point in a 3d space and {e, n, d, x, a, b} are it's coordinates

>>40524

Dont you only need 3? x,y,z

>>40566

fuggggg

Spinal Column == mind blown!

Tree of Knowledge == Tree of Life

https://play.rust-lang.org/?gist=c2446efeec452fe14e1ddd0d237f4173&version=stable

Here's my code, it's shit, but it works and it could also be yours if you don't want to start from scratch. You will need rustup to compile it.

So if the golden spiral starts at 0,0, does that mean the very concept of '1' is defined by the golden ratio?

What the fuuuuuck, screw RSA, what the fuck is up with this shit? There were no magic numbers in the code we were given, why the fuck does this order exiiiist.

>>40825

Thanks for being here topolanon

Or the golden ratio is like, our denominator. Like our universes calling card or something?

A % Golden Ratio = Prime is fucking crazy!!!What is up with this equation?! My mind is being continuously blown! What the hell is this? VQC! Tell me! Tell me my duderino famalam!

A % Golden Ratio = Prime

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>>40825

Woah. Sacred Geometry. Galileo was right.

>>40948

Please, elaborate.

>>41094

Can you elaborate? What is A? a in the equations?

>>41101

Famalamalamalam if I could I would.

>>41110

A is one of the values that makes up C! I noticed the spiral in the original and wanted to pick it out! Someone showed how you could do it with different bases and mod and I decided to make my base the golden ratio!

A from {e,n,d,x,a,b}

A % Golden Ratio = Prime

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>>41139

So a % golden ratio always produces a prime number?

>>41182

No but it produces a pattern which we can graph and find an equation for which means multiplying and dividing might not be the only way to find primes anymore! We MIGHT be able to straight calculate them with algebra or basic triangle proofs!

>>41182

if a % golden ratio = prime {

plot point

}

With those points you can create a line and then we can prove certain properties about the geometry. One of those properties might have something to do with some kinds of prime or maybe we'll get lucky and find properties that are shared by ALL primes.

>>41371

2017: LITERALLY the BEST Christmas EVER!

>>40675

>>40825

absolutely awesome. Would love to see the code that generates this.

>>41432

https://play.rust-lang.org/?gist=c2446efeec452fe14e1ddd0d237f4173&version=stable

You will need to install rustup. I'm actually going to bed now though, it's easy!

>>41432

Sorry for being fake and gay.

https://play.rust-lang.org/?gist=c8a9910a47ddb13bc3f9414fb1d5157a&version=stable

Here's better code that zips the primes and colors for epic functional programming goodness. Goodnight!

>>41522

many thanks anon

>>41434

Discrete circles?

> Find a pair of integers on the curve 1*c, ~d*d, c*1

>>39326

dude this is nuts. i see fruit, creatures, faces, trees, a massive christmas bell.

whhaaatttt this is amazing

Do you want us to release the solution when we reach it, VQC?

>>40326

i and j were not variables, originally. They are perhaps involved simply to help with, as you've discovered, positioning the data accurately within the grid.

>>41708

Yep but they help reveal the patterns

>>38573

And I thought you were mocking me in the general thread last night or the night before with my idea related to Q map and a pattern.

If you've read my previous posts in these threads, you'll know I was working on other things related to this whilst you took on the grid/code – so I am super late to the party with regards to commentating on the grid/code and how it all works.

I looked at this for the first time late last night. After finding ALL of VQC's posts on 8chan and on Twitter, I spent two hours looking at a 'wall of text' masquerading as instructions, and a spreadsheet that seems to have more entries than people on the planet. I spent an absurd amount of time trying to figure out where n=1 was, because cell N1 was blank and the first cell (A1) made no fucking sense in relation to the comments in VQC's posts.

Once I broke apart the wall of text, I found the information about the key and the cell formatting. Then I found n=1 instantly. I was tired so I decided to approach it all with fresh eyes and use n=1 as a starting point in the morning.

It's morning now.

The only thing I can think of is one question.

IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, PLEASE REPLY.

Does anyone know what VQC has you looking for?

SPECIFICALLY.

Serious question. Deadly serious.

What has he said?

Find something?

Run a specific calculation?

Re-code something?

What?

Have I missed a post?

What are you actually doing?

>>36705

Thank you!

>>36055

Team effort.

We are amazing as a team.

A HIGHER Power than on our own.

>>36072

You're waking up.

That's what you've been feeling.

It's going to be OK.

>>36093

This.

One of the answers.

Why would I steal anything?

I wouldn't.

There is BitCoin from the original creators (DoD) but that's a prize for anyone who completes this.

By the time that happens, you'll be more interested in Creating.

I'm interested in putting a team together to build new VERY advanced tech.

I'd like you here to be a BIG part of that.

A Tony Stark type adventure.

>>37673

Fractal like?

>>38119

Good work anon

>>41839

it's an insanely genius method of instant decryption that will bring down bitcoin, cryptocurrencies and cryptography altogether… to start. looking at a new world. literally, a recipe on how to frickin' build your own quantum computer. in awe, knew the message in the first set of nonlinears posted was in the construction itself. it's a damn machine! and a fine one at that.

So we should or shouldn't release the answer if we find it? Because bad actors will get to it pretty quickly.

I've been trying to find the last equation using square roots and powers of 2. Sqrt(e)*Sqrt(n)*Sqrt(d) is a freaky graph. Wrong operation to use?

>>41966

Trump is the man who woke me up.

>>41975

You clearly don't understand how bitcoin works. Your public key is only exposed after funds are spent. So you would have to have bitcoin in address A, spend it, then receive new bitcoin in A…at that point if someone had the ability to crack the elliptic curve algorithm they could spend your new btc at the address A. Don't reuse addresses and you are fine. If you send A -> B then your wallet should automatically give you a refund address C which can't be spent (or hacked) until you use your C key to do so. At that point the remaining funds are now in a new address and the old C key is useless again.

>>41094

This is where the fun really begins.

"I'm not a Monster, I'm just ahead of the CURVE"

Well done.

>>41997

I see the spiral, the tetrahedron and the inverse of the pythagorean in the code. Is the method of The End a product of your own design?

>>41990

the market pivots on the time it takes to crack the chain. insta-mining would negate the point of the chain and eliminate a market control.

>>41997

Consider a simple time-dependent Shrodinger equation used to model quantum systems, states, and transitions over time:

(iћ∂t+(ћ2/2m))ΔΨ(γ,t) = V(γ)Ψ(γ,t)

Everything here is fairly unambiguous, aside from our wavefunction, 'Ψ', which may be given:

ΣiΣjΣkΣl-∞..∞sin((2((acos(((1-(fi/(fi-1))).5))5)/3)j(t))+k((acos(((1-(i/(i-1))).5))5)/3))l

Where:

fi = the i'th iteration of the Fibonacci series.

And:

acos(((1-(∞i/(∞i-1))).5))5)/3 = π

Altogether we then have:

(iћ∂t+(ћ2/2m))ΔΣiΣjΣkΣl-∞..∞sin((2((acos(((1-(fi/(fi-1))).5))5)/3)j(t))+k((acos(((1-(i/(i-1))).5))5)/3))l(γ,t) = V(γ)ΣiΣjΣkΣl-∞..∞sin((2((acos(((1-(fi/(fi-1))).5))5)/3)j(t))+k((acos(((1-(i/(i-1))).5))5)/3))l(γ,t)

Which provides a very clear definition of every possible quantum system, state, and transition.

It is important to note that as |fi| approaches ∞, acos(((1-(fi/(fi-1))).5))5)/3) approaches π, and, of course, acos(((1-(fi/(fi-1))).5))5)/3)-π then approaches 0. This means that while there are an infinite number of possible quantum systems, states, and transitions, they are bound to lie along the function acos(((1-(fi/(fi-1))).5))5)/3).

It is also important to note that (fi/(fi-1)) approaches ϕ as fi approaches ∞.

In other words, ϕ, defines both the domain and the function of observable reality.

>>42009

Mining is SHA256 and has absolutely nothing to do with primes and elliptic curves. If something does come of this I look forward to buying the dip because it is still secure against quantum computing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkXKpMku5QY

>>41201

Exciting.

Never been done before.

Love it.

Makes you wonder if today's mathematicians have been a bit blinded, doesn't it?

>>42009

>>42022

If anything it would make bitcoin more valuable because traditional banking would be destroyed by not being able to operate online. Bring it on.

>>41668

This is the just the beginning and The End.

You want this to be public because you will have become some of the greatest mathematicians in history so far.

You deserve this.

I think you can apply a fibonacci sequence as a legend to the Q posts. Here's what I have so far, and it seems to work for the few posts I've tested.

Start a bottom a post that has signatures.

0) The zero goes under the first signature

1) Mark the bottom signature.

2) Skip 2 lines up, mark the next line above.

3) Skip 3, mark the next.

5) Skip 5, mark the next.

8) Skip 8, mark the next.

13) Skip 13, mark the next.

and so on until you can't go any higher.

>All the marked lines apply to the marked signature.

Now we reverse and come back down.

0) Zero corresponds to your last mark going up, so no mark.

1) Mark the next line down (the one under your highest mark going up.

2) Skip 2 down, mark the next line below,

3) Skip 3 down, mark the next down.

5) Skip 5 down, mark the next down.

And so on. If you count correctly, your last mark will be the signature above Q's. The marks apply to that signature.

To simplify, I made a little template in vim, printed it on paper cut it out with scissors and lay it next to the Q posts printed out.

On the Q posts, be sure to follow instructions in the post like "repeat" which means to replace the word "repeat" with the preceeding text.

At the bottom, I think you have to ignore when the X's hit on two signatures. This happens when there are lots of signatures and you are going up.

I've tested about 5 posts so far, and they all makes sense.

Tired. Going to bed. If you have a few minutes, give it a try.

>Q keeps telling us to learn how to read the map. I'm pretty sure this is it.

<The 5,2,5,1,5,2,1 pattern I suggested a few nights ago didn't always hit every line. Fibonacci up, then down always hits every line after 2 up passes and 2 down passes. (Remember to offset two sinatures up for your second up pass)

Also remember to watch for word wrap and continued posts. (I used the bash fmt utiltity to truncate lines.)

>>41975

This.

Integer Factorisation is the first part.

But this quantum computer can then be reconfigured for elliptic curve cryptography and all other math based cryptography including that which is used by BitCoin.

>>42009

The virtual quantum computer reconfigured will remove the point of mining by making the calculations trivial.

Mining and infrastructure of the Blockchain then collapses.

>>41970

Chris, would a similar method be applicable in resolving the coefficients for a form of adaptive/dynamic nonlinear multivariate logistic regression, like a multilayer perceptron or boltzmann machine?

>>42022

There are no one way functions.

What happens with inverse functional domain look-up that allows a system to be compromised by hash resolving sequence injection?

What can be stored in the Blockchain?

>>42035

What is a method to solve Diophantine equations?

>>42029

Keep going!

>>42035

>boltzmann machine

What is a virtual quantum computer configuration based on the Mandelbrot Set?

What does the code look like so you can create a bitmap?

I have no idea how to get that working.

>>41970

Are we actually allowed to take it, though? Seems like stealing, however you look at it. That said, I have no idea how BitCoin works; always saw through it so I ignored everything about it.

Also, will it not be worthless by the time we crack this? I mean, people will cash out (or is that after we raid the bank?).

I looked into how you'd actually spend it. Looks like it's barely accepted for anything of real value. No idea how you could even get it converted to cash in such a high volume online; you have to sell 10 at a time, if seems.

Guess it's a good job the money is the least important factor in play.

>>41975

I meant, has VQC actually said "find this" or "decode that"?

Is there a specific instruction or order everyone is trying to execute here? I haven't found it, if so.

>>42036

Doesn't matter when your input depends on guessing a number that is 2^256 in size…even the most efficient computer would take more than the energy of the sun to COUNT that high. There are hard physical limits at play.

>>42051

In order to crack RSA (the method of encryption used in many, many things), you need to be able to use all of the variables available to you in a public key to break the private key. Long story short, we need to figure out the mathematical relationships between these variables that allow us to use c to calculate n. Using ordinary methods, that means calculating huge prime numbers, which takes a lot of computational time. Using this method (the method we don't seem to be entirely sure of yet), it's meant to take O(log n) time. Don't expect much help here other than that. Every time I ask for some help or an explanation the responses make it seem like I'm being rude (which definitely isn't my intention). I'm at the same point as you said here >>42047 since C# really doesn't seem to like Linux, so I've started attempting to rewrite the original code in Java, since that pastebin someone else put together is down.

>>42064

Hmm. Okay.

I'll try and figure this bitmap thing out myself, and if I get it I will post it for you.

I was told "You'll need to create a console project and 'call' the two functions to make the spreadsheet" – if that helps.

I am still trying to figure it out. I only know HTML/CSS. I haven't done any real coding to know how the language works properly.

>>42077

I haven't used C# before this but it's pretty similar to Java and C, which I have used, so if nobody else in the thread posts anything about this I should be able to figure it out for us at least. The problems I'm having involve Mono, which seems to be the go-to C# IDE for Linux. It's giving me errors I can't find the solutions to after hours of searching (e.g. one error message I get when I try to compile anything, include simple Hello World programs, is "Unknown MSBuild failure. Please try building the project again", which is obviously wildly unuseful), and when I do it in terminal I just seem to magically not get it to do what it's meant to do.

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVQQQQQQQQQQCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

FUCKKKKKKKKK UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

BROS WE GOT THE REAL MAP

>>42055

COME ON OVER

NO CALCULUS REQUIRED

WE JUST YOU

>>42064

Your questions are good.

You're doing really well.

>>42093

Well thanks, but I wish VQC just used a less finickity programming language in the first place. Less anons having trouble getting the code to work = more anons thinking through these concepts = faster results.

>>42094

What do you need on the programming side?

Pseudocode so you can choose your language?

>>42094

I had to translate the original from the Book of Revelation with all it's built-in PROTECTION.

Think yourself lucky! :)

>>42095

>>42098

I understand the code. I'm rewriting it in Java because C# seems to be giving me and a few other people some grief (either because they don't use Windows or because they just haven't used C# before).

>>42101

Roger roger.

>>42101

will do it in pdl

GUYS.

I spoke with VCQ to say I believe I have the 5%. I also wanted to share my theory with him. I have been asked to post my findings.

I believe I have solved the mystery – maybe even two – I don't know, the man speaks in questions, so I have to figure bits and pieces out. I followed up with some more messages, so I'll see what his replies look like.

In the mean time I NEED whoever has the code for the bitmap to post it. I cannot see the visual product of my findings and I want to pull on a few threads to see if I have the right one.

Post the code or tell me how I can use the code VQC posted previously.

>>42101

If it's C#, it is so for a reason.

VQC obviously knows his onions, so there's no point in thinking he's unable to use Java or whatever else is available. Let's be real; whoever/whatever he is, this guy made a quantum computer in a spreadsheet, FFS.

>>42174

Do you know much about computer science? If it was going to be a specific language for a specific reason, surely it would be a lower-level one. This code doesn't have anything in it that other languages can't do.

>>42188

Nope.

I barely know the maths involved; I'm having to relearn most of what I should have paid attention to in school as we go along. That's why it's taking me so much time to do the things you guys just skimmed over, I guess.

The point of this is, he's used C# for a reason. It works on Mac and a PC (I'm on a Mac). It's probably hard to understand because he doesn't want you using it before you're ready to. Hence the step-by-step instructions and the riddles.

Think of it like this: He WANTS this done. HE could do it himself in a matter of minutes. He choses NOT to do it. Why? He WANTS us to do it. He offers HELP, but he doesn't GIVE you everything you want (this shit on a plate, basically). Why? BIGGER PICTURE.

I've said it multiple times, re-read my posts. We need to learn how to use this, why we're using it, and when to use it. We also need to learn when not to use it. We need to learn how to BUILD it. We need to learn a lot; we're like babies. He's the teacher, so follow the rules because they exist for a reason. Why? We don't need the reason. We simply choose to play or walk away.

>>42174

It's small, fast, close to machine and popular enough. language not an issue.

>>42208

I'd love VQC's input on this if he's reading the thread, but I really don't think it's a matter of it needing to be C#. The concepts in this code all work in other languages. I get the whole "everything is specific because we're meant to learn this and this and this" thing, since that's a big part of all of this, and maybe I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, C# was either an arbitrary choice of higher-level languages for the sake of helping people understand, or it was the one VQC uses the most, meaning it's the most convenient. At the moment I'm most of the way there. I'm just trying to understand the Java equivalent of C#'s Dictionary object (which, according to the internet, is Maps and HashMaps, which you can't address as an array like you can with Dictionary). Then it's just a matter of making the image. That said, it's past midnight where I live, so I don't know how much longer I'll spend on this. I understand your concern, but I'm wasting my own time more than anyone else's.

>>42208

>>41964

>>41820

Nope! I'm a muse for number folks. Hand trained by a Ph.D level non-euclidean maths professor. I have a BFA and he explained what I'd been doing the whole time. :D

>>42019

^^^ That makes me think there might actually be something to this vvv

>>38573

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion

What is the square root of minus one?

What is it useful for?

Extend the grid left (minus e)

Extend the first row up (into minus values for x)

Extend the grid towards you (IMAGINE it is flat on the desk and then the grid comes out towards you)

>>42229

I learned in BASIC in the 80s.

Then Pascal and C

Then Java and C++

More recently C#

>>42236

>>42229

To be honest, I have no idea if I'm even right at this point. I thought I might have something worth sharing, but it might well be nothing. It's hard to understand. I am going to take a nap and come back to it with fresh eyes, I've had too little sleep and it's not helping. I think once I've had time to process it properly, and I can see the bitmap, then I'll know what to post. Right now, I don't know if I have it all, something or nothing. It's a lot to process.

Best of luck to the rest of you working on things, though. I am sure it will all come together soon, one way or another.

>>42289

i and j.

The values that were found in the map to dictate placement and/or spacing.

>>42289

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion

Now I want to remember why I was looking up Quinions…

>What is the square root of minus one?

Use your imagination.

>What is it useful for?

Stuff we know is there but can't fit into currently-modeled-maths

>Extend the grid left (minus e)

If you go onto an i-plane… what angle is that?

>Extend the first row up (into minus values for x)

When zero = infinity: .999… with no "n" that shows up…

http://www.everythingforever.com/st_math.htm

>Extend the grid towards you (IMAGINE it is flat on the desk and then the grid comes out towards you)

Like a cone or a sphere? Like a flat plane "wrapped around" a cone/sphere?

Back to non-euclidean, how do you know a shape is the shape it is?

How can you "move"?

>>37362

This is it.

a = i - j

b = i + j

n = i - d

GLANCING at it, I'd say they are there to create FOLDS. That the code changes the dimension of the grid.

a is one side of the square (a + x = d)

b is used to make up the border around the content of the square, which is represented by c (ab = c)

n is the difference between the two squares, which represents GROWTH. It is added to the side of the square (e = 2an).

Top of my head, I'd say the middle of the grid acts like the base of a vase, and the further out you go, the more the 5d model will grow.

You're looking for Tetragrammatron, so it has to be 5d.

I don't know if this is too much to share too soon, but VQC said to go with it, so…

I'll post the rest of the madness later on once I figure out the bitmap.

>>42325

SORRY.

(xx + e = 2an)

MY BAD. Edited it out.

>>42325

If you wonder if you should share, do it.

Every time I ask VQC if I should "do the thing", the answer is yes, in the sense that I should just do it without fear.

Case in point… the people who have no idea what I'm saying but are pulling correct directions from it anyway. It's like quantum intuition where I don't know that I'm giving you what you need, and you don't understand why, but it keeps working out, funnily enough.

>>42337

This.

No fear for EXPRESSION.

Trump is making it so you can share ideas without arbitrary PC nonsense to get in YOUR way.

(e,n,d,x,a,b) in a grid (e,n)

That is one way to organise the grid.

Selecting two of the six variables (dimensions).

There are SEVEN dimensions because each (e,n,d,x,a,b) element represent c.

What are ways or grids or cubes are there to represent each elements?

You could use another pair apart from (e,n)

What would that produce?

What other ways or shapes are there to view the six (seven) dimensions?

What images result?

Does this help find patterns?

Does this help you c(see)?

I may as well quickly add, so you can take a look.

Find the 4, 10, 20 reference in the grid.

Find where it intersects.

You should see;

4, 10, 20 across.

4, 10, 20 down.

T=8

Following that you should find {4:1:114:14:100:130}

114, 4, 100 is important, I think. Make a bitmap with that as the starting point (if that's how they work).

If that's wrong (I have no idea if it's right, I can't test it myself without the bitmap code), try the following…

Find {0:1:144:16:128:162}

144, 0 128 might be the right thing instead.

I don't know if I am correct, but I think Q's KEYSTONE clues link to the VQC. The first code I gave you is where DJT intersects on the grid. The codeword posted today was in dots (some other anon broke it, I just happened to stumble over it). It gave him the following D E A T H.

I think it's supposed to point us to D E A T8.

114, 4, 100, T8

or

144, 0 128, T8

See what you can dig up. I don't have all the tools to do it myself yet.

>>42337

I see the full picture, I think, so I don't know if it's okay to post it all.

I will write up this shit later, in full, and you can just see for yourself.

Check out this video: https://youtu.be/cJB_o516Y8g?t=2518

It didn't seem like anyone was paying attention other than >>42167 but here's what I've got so far with the Java port. https://pastebin.com/0hdr8Z4w

The only thing wrong with it is that I don't know how HashMaps work so each time I try to call a method on an object in a HashMap it calls it on the Integer I used to try to get to the object. I need sleep now so if anyone wanted to play around with it (as much as I doubt it), there it is.

>>42373

Alright, I'll use the lingo of where we are.

FUCKING DO IT AND STOP BEING SUCH A CUCK FAGGOT.

Better? :P

>>42381

Mate, I'm tired. Haven't got time for the whole 4/8chan abuse is love nonsense.

There's a lot to write up. I've posted the snippets I think will help push things along, if they're right. As said, I'd do it if I could build the bitmap, but I can't, so I can only contribute like this for now.

>>42382

Nassim Harriman

https://giant.gfycat.com/UntimelyThunderousIsabellinewheatear.gif

I'll have to dig to find the specifc video you're talking about.

>>42383

LANGUAGE ADJUSTED! :D

(You) are doing fantastic work.

What do (You) need to be able to produce the bitmap? Someone to plot your code?

>>42382

Found it.

Nassim Haramein

Isometric Vector Matrix

https://youtu.be/BGGvwkrDZNA

>>42394

Whoops, "Isotropic Vector Matrix"

>>42389

My purpose here is a-muse-ing.

Fee Me, See More!

Here's an example:

>>37878

You tell me what you need, or what your goal is. It doesn't matter if you know what that goal is exactly or if I understand what the goal is. Again, it's Quantum Intuition… which makes me think of the quantum computer figuring out the digits of π without knowing how it starts or what's needed or what the goal is.

And I may not even be the person who helps you. Part of what you're doing is sharing your consciousness. It's like an art project I did revolving around the Metaverse.

By putting everyone's individual perspectives on "the wall/board", https://imgur.com/JgrfArp

It's all about answering the question: "What is going on Here/Now?"

Maybe someone else has the answer to your question. Maybe you have the answer to someone else's question. Maybe you have a question that other people would like to know the answer to. Maybe you have a more refined version of a question that someone else is also questioning and it helps them to see how they weren't asking the "correct" question and after they pass that block, they refine the question past where you've been with fresh eyes in+line with your thoughts.

>>42382

The YouTube link is important.

https://youtu.be/cJB_o516Y8g?t=3316

This time is where the shapes are discussed (before is worth watching for context).

References to the Bible; God is 72, etc. VQC said he found his formula in the Bible. This is where Harriman found his code.

Tetragrammaton (2d) = 72

Tetragrammaton (2d) inverted = 72

72 x 2 = 144 (Star of David; Flag of Israel).

The Kabbalistic Tree of Knowledge after decoding it gives you a 64 tetrahedron grid. It can be broken down into several star shaped ToKs after they've been joined together.

Again, not sure if it is too soon to post it, but it's there. Something along these lines is what we need to be looking at creating.

>>42383

meant to reply to that one,

Feed Me, See More!

Feed Us, See More!

Feed Everyone, See More!

Quantum Bread… it never runs out… you can feed as many people as you want. There's also fish if anyone wants any. ;)

>>42389

I needed the code to build the bitmaps. I have no idea what it looks like.

If you take what I posted above about DJT 4, 10, 20, and see if that can be plotted, maybe it'll solve the problem Q has presented.

Godfather III is VQC.

VQC's grid is the map we have to learn to read.

endxab is the key to the cells.

1,1 is the key to the map.

I don't know if the DJT signature on the map is the keystone, or if 1,1 is the keystone (yet).

If you understand Fermat's Theorem is flawed (integers are a tree, not a straight line), then you will see it links back to what I have been saying.

+++

++

+

Tree ^

It's all connected.

Learn to read the map.

Signatures are important.

Etc.

>>42437

>Stop wasting time on a Mongolian Underwater Kite flying forum.

Wew lad, we can make this stuff 3d!

>>42436

1.)Take my code.

2.)Install rustup.

3.)Compile my code.

4.)???????

5.) Profit.

Then you can answer your own questions. To the guy with the HashMap problem, you have to access the element in the Hashmap, not the id.

>>41997

Forget RSA and bitcoin, that's just money, which is nice, but not my main pursuit. Please elaborate on this.

>>42381

>FUCKING DO IT AND STOP BEING SUCH A CUCK FAGGOT.

Your presence is appreciated.

>>42356

This might well be wrong. I don't know yet. I misinterpreted something VQC said to me, so I have to review things before I ask anyone to waste time working on any of the Q DJT stuff.

>>42436

Well done.

Thank you for your patience.

>>42523

You didn't misinterpret it.

What I meant is Godfather III is someone who loves GEOTUS very much.

That is me.

>>42549

Q may be referring to another Godfather III

>>42506

I do NOT know if the Q link is correct now. Look into it, but don't waste a lot of your time on it.

The other stuff (the shape to look for) I think is correct. I wasn't going to post it until I was happy with everything I was saying, but I didn't trust my gut. That's my bad.

What I need to do is go back and work on the bitmap code so I can draw things out. I need to filter the instructions laid out by VQC, and I need to refocus. I will review the remaining posts to see if any of it helps shape what I'm seeing once I have some idea of what I need to do.

I'm almost positive the i and j links the anon found before create folds (or define breaks) in the grid to build shapes in higher dimensions, so I'd work on that part and see where it takes you.

>>42552

Oh. Surely, you could have given me that one earlier?

I assume then the VQC map is not what Q refers to? This project is something you are doing to participate in support of Q, you aren't working with him directly?

Doesn't matter, I guess. The links are there if someone wants to spend some time running them down. If it's no good, we know. If it leads somewhere, it's time well spent. 50/50.

>>42523

Use my code bro, it's bake a cake simple if not a bit shit and inflexible.

I keep getting a "parameter incomplete" error… lol

>>42561

READ between the lines!

>>42585

I feel like that's also to me…

>>42562

I will take a look. Thanks. I need to take a time out, get some food and reposition. I'm going in circles bouncing off other people's thoughts and I'm not thinking clearly for myself.

Once I get the bitmap thing sorted, I'll run it down myself and see what I'm looking at. I feel like I can read the grid well, I just need to learn some of the maths, rules and define the parameters of how the coding is working in relation to the grid (incase it's relevant). I'll work on that side of things since I know it might help later on.

What specifically is this code going to do, BTW? Is this the thing related to i and j? I think looking how i and j interact with the letters, it's related to a fold line; worth looking into if you are going to follow up at some point.

>>42594

Integer factorisation, the elliptic curves, then Mandelbrot Set+++

>>42552

Alright duderino, the next step is to plot this in 3d space? Ok.

Give us a taste of the goods. We never got that RSA100 code which is whatever, RSA is faggotry, what is the use of these squares? I don't believe the free energy nonsense and there's a long way to go to 3d printing in high resolutions. What is the claim here?

>>42553

>I'm almost positive the i and j links the anon found before create folds (or define breaks) in the grid to build shapes in higher dimensions, so I'd work on that part and see where it takes you.

I'm down, graphics ain't no big thang. Need covfefe first.

If this process helps decode Q's map then VQC and the shit he claims is legit.

>>42594

I'm in it to win it. No worries my dude.

>>42599

Checked, did you answer my question before I asked it.

>>42585

I asked for a direct response, so I expected I got one when you replied.

I will review the conversation later and see what comes out. I should have taken some time earlier to pause and go from there. No big deal, it's a good lesson learned.

>>40349

fookin' 'ell…

>>34072

has anyone looked into whether this stuff and that cia kryptos statue code have anything in common? I saw an image that I think was in that vqc thread that looked like it was a really strange, high resolution version of a mask that could be put over the kryptos thing and maybe reveal a hidden message?

has anyone looked inot this?